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29 Dis 1955...
Jam 0700...Seorang Pegawai Turus Tentera Darat bertolak dari Baling ke Kulim dengan kereta. Dia membawa salinan transkrip mesyuarat hari pertama untuk diserahkan kepada Tunku, Marshall dan Cheng Lock Tan. Selepas itu dia meneruskan perjalanan ke RAF Base Butterworth dimana sebuah pesawat sedang menunggu untuk menerbangkan transkrip kepada MacGillivray, Jen Bourne dan Principal Staff Officer di KL. Selepas itu, pesawat berlepas ke Singapura untuk menyerahkan transkrip kepada Gobenor Singapura, Black.
Jam 0830...Rombongan Tunku berlepas dari Rumah Rehat, Kulim ke Baling dengan diiringi oleh pasukan 15/19 Hussars.
Jam 0945...Chin Peng memohon kepada John Davis mengatur pergerakan Lee Chin Hee dan Tan Kwee Cheng untuk kembali ke Klian Intan untuk menyertai semula pengiring-pengiring Chin Peng di kaki Gunung Paku. Permohonan ini diluluskan dan kedua-dua mereka dihantar balik ke Gunung Paku dengan diiringi oleh PPH.
Jam 1018...Rombongan Tunku tiba di Baling.
Jam 1050...Sesi keempat bermula. Tetapi sebelum itu, Tunku mengadakan sesi photography untuk para wartawan. OK le. Kali ini saya salin semula transkrip perbincangan tapi dalam bahasa gomen (Nik Anuar, op. cit,, hlm. 84-96).
Tunku: Shall we begin? Yesterday, the discussion revolved around three points. First, recognition of the Communist Party. We have told you in no uncertain terms that we would not agree to recognition of the Communist Party. Next is detention. On this point you said you would not want ti be detained or investigated. But I think I have explained to you (although I do not know whether you understood it or not), that the period of detention would be only for as long as is necessary to hold the investigation, no longer that that. I think I have explained to you the difference between the detention which understand and the detention which we proposed in the of surrendered Communists. Correctly speaking, it is not detention at all; we intend to hold you for investigation. You, I understand, do not agree with that. You propose that as soon as agreement is reached whereby there shall be peace. you should then be allowed to come out and go wherever would like, freely. To that, we cannot agree for the reasons which I explained yesterday.
Then again, you suggested that there should be no investigation held to ascertain whether you are loyal or not. We feel that investigation or an inquiry, if you like the term better that "investigation" must be held. Investigation does rather suggest investigation into all your past acts. What we aim to do exactly is to ascertain whether you wan to be loyal citizens of the country or not. For that reason I would rather call it an "inquiry".
Then there was the third point, which was suggested by you and amplified by the Chief Minister, Singapore. For those of you who wish to go to China, or for that matter to any other country, we should be pleased to help you to go. For these people I don't think an an investigation would be necessary at all. All we need to know from them is where they want to go. Then arrangements will be made for their passage and pocket money will be given to them - enough to see that they are well looked after in that country.
I reiterate again that only those persons who want to stay in Malay and make their homes in this country will be investigated.
We have only two hours this morning because I have got to go back and pack my things to go to England, so I hope we can come to some agreement on these points, and I think it would be better to come straight to the point without beating about the bush.
I appreciate that you have got to obtain the best possible terms before you can agree to surrender, and I understand that attitude. So I would like to hear what you to say.
Chin Peng: If the conditions as lain down cannot be changed, then I am not empowered to accept therm.
Tunku: How can they be? As I say, they cannot be so changed that we give up investigation - that would be absolutely wrong.
Chin Peng: There is no need for me to repeat what I said just now. What I have said just now is very, very clear.
Marshall: I think we have cleared one point - that those who are free can take part in political activities. But we must have investigation and perhaps they would like to discuss the question of duration of this investigation, accepting the principle that is something which the people will required, then I thing this line of though might be fruitfully discussed.
Chin Peng: This is a question of principle. I am not empowered to discuss this principle. My answer in this matter is very plain.
Since we have only a short time available, I wish to say a few words. The present Government, although it is a popularly elected Government still is not an independent Government.
Marshall: Tell him wee recognise that fully.
Chin Peng: Under such circumstances, therefore, when we bring out our suggestions we have got to have regards to this situation. If these popularly elected Governments of the /Federation and Singapore have self-determination in matters concerning internal security and national defence, then all problems could be solved easily. As soon as these two Governments have self-determination in internal security and national defence matters, then we can stop the war immediately.
Tunku: Is that a promise? When I come back from England that is the thing I am bringing back with me.
Chin Peng: That being the case, we can straightaway stop our hostilities and also disband our armed units.
Marshall: You say that as soon as the two Governments have control of internal security and national defence you will end hostilities and lay down your arms and disband your armed forces. Mr. Chan Tien, is this right please?
Tunku: There is one word "self-determination".
Chen Tien: Not self-determination - full power to control internal security.
Tunku: One of the purposes for which I am going to England is to get control of internal security. When I do get that, are saying that your prepared to accept our terms and lay down your arms, if the terms come from me?
Marshall: What do you mean by "national defence"? Do you mean control over all internal forces?
Chen Tien: National defence includes control over all armed forces within the country.
Marshall: You say "national defence" means control over the armies within the country?
Chen Tien: At least local forces.
Marshall: Local forces? Fair enough. Would you in those circumstances accept these terms?
Chen Tien: To give an example - control over the Malay Regiment, the Federation Regiment.
Letih juga menaip transkrip ini. Maklum saje la...saya merangkak mencari abjad 'typewriter' ini. Bersambung, In Syaa Allah.
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