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Isnin, 20 Ogos 2018

Rundingan Baling: Di Belakang Tabir - Bahagian xxxxiii

Bersambung dari SINI...

Marshall: Can I ask: Whether pending the return of the Tunku, and recognising the serious set-backs to the economic life of the country which are brought about by your activities, you would refrain from activities which endanger life and property of the citizens of the country?

Chin Peng: Long ago we announced that we advocated a general cease fire. As I have said just now, even from today until the day when the Tunku returns from London, we can arrange for a general cease fire.

Tunku: The point is that we have done that before. We are the only party which respected it; your party carried on as if there was not general cease fire declaration at all.  

Chin Peng: The point is that Government's declaration did not declare that there would be a stop to offensive activities by Government forces - they attack us all along.

Tunku: That is not quite true. I most cases, although the cease fire was given, the Government troops were also ordered not to shoot at sight but to challenge first, and this they did. If the Amnesty terms are not unacceptable to you, then do you agree that they must be withdrawn?

Chin Peng: It it comes to that we cannot help it.

Tunku: I will have to announce tomorrow that  the Amnesty terms will have to be withdrawn.

Chin Peng: There is no question of that.

Marshall: Are you in a position to speak for the Communists in Singapore?

Chin Peng: Yes. But I cannot control those who have been sent there by the Special Branch of the Police.

Marshall: Are you suggesting that the Government sent Special Branch people to infiltrate into the Communist party?

Chin Peng: There is nothing curious about that. They have, but I cannot tell you the number.

Marshall: What one earth for?

Chin Peng: There are those who call themselves Communists, but in fact, they were sent there by the Government. They are, in reality, the detectives of the Government. How can I control these people?

Marshall: You said you control the activities of the Communist in Singapore?

Chin Peng: Yes, that is right. I wish to clarify one point. In Singapore we discovered a lot of such cases, not a few but quite a number. I do not say a lot, but not little. The Special Branch of Singapore have infiltrated into our Communist party by sending people to join our Communist party. Such people will not listen to us, but they make use of our name to do what they like. That is exactly what happened in the Hock Lee Bus Company strike.

Marshall: You mean to say that whenever activities of a character which are unpopular to the public are committed by the Communist party, you disown them by saying that the Communist spies have committed them?

Chin Peng: If we are responsible for any such activities, we say so. If we make a mistake, we accept it. Once we announced publicly that we accepted our mistakes in collecting identity cards and destroying them. But the strike at Hock Lee Co. is not one we would like to do. I want to reiterate once again. Under such circumstances we have no wish to create chaos. Of course we would lead the labourers in strikes and in their struggle, but we do not wish to have such unfortunate incidents. In that strike - although I have not received detailed information but I have reports- there are people who willfully incited the labourers to do the things they have done. They openly said that they wanted to carry on their struggle until independence has been achieved. Such a slogan cannot be that of the Malayan Communist Party. We members of the M.C.P. will never utter such slogans.

As regards the question of the terms of the Amnesty, I wish to say a few words. The primary question is investigation. Such an investigation, no matter how it is explained, implies that we come out to surrender. It is impossible to want us to come out and surrender. If you demand our surrender we would prefer to fight to the last man. I am not telling a lie, I am telling the truth. If the question of the principle on investigation can altered, we would give even greater concessions.

Marshall: Do I understand that even if the Federation has control of internal security and local armed forces and achieves independence, you will not consider coming out if the Government insists on investigations before release?

Chin Peng: As regards investigation, supposing we return to you respective homes and then the Government starts to investigate us, then it is a different matter. But if we were to enclosed in one place and investigations are to be carried out, that amounts to surrender.

Tunku: I want to make it quite clear to you. As I said yesterday, our ideologies are completely at variance. As I said, in one case you will go to extremes in order to enforce chaos even to the extent of taking up arms. Again, your organisation is a very powerful one. It has got support form within and aid from without. In fact, we would be  powerless to control your movement, if you were to come out of the jungle and put yourselves on the same level and the same status as we are. Therefore if you do not come out to surrender, we would rather not accept you in our society. If you want to have peace in this country, one side must give in  - either we give in you, or you give into us us. The two ideologies, yours and ours, can never work side by side. That is my frank opinion. 

Cukup le setakat ini saje dulu. Dah 3 hari berturut-turut menaip transkrip ini. Tapi tak apa...demi cinta terhadap negara Malaysia.

Bersambung, In Syaa Allah.

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